Yep, lots to consider here. Are you so foolish? Nevertheless, each of us test everything for ourselves. And I can say that since my former neighbor went to Seminary and became a pastor himself. I saw patterns, I learned Hebrew culture, I understood the concepts of the Tanach. Although Together we can strengthen one another in love and so help build and protect the bride of Christ, His church. 31 The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. Jesus Himself holds the keys to death and hades.Read Isa. Here is my take: There are 3 sides to a story, yours, mine and the Truth (Torah). Early rabbis created rules of postponement to manage the conflict caused by the mixed, lunar vs. solar calendars. So in closing we are saved by grace, thru faith to obey His commandments in the Holy Spirit and it all equals life! Please, I implore you to read the whole study. Your pejorative idea that speaking Hebrew words is a prideful thing of knowledge and warning of it being a spirit one take by exercising Jewish things. If a storm comes its the rules that keep the storm at bay. Jeremiah 31:3? There are probably plenty of believers who are so different from me that watching Seinfeld will not ever be sinful for them. GRACE has existed since the Garden of Eden and is taught in Judaism. As Dale Carnegie said A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.. Hebrews is also clear the New Covenant was already established with numerous references. he is the living, breathing, walking among us TORAH! and God did so through manifesting Himself in Jesus. We view ourselves as a para-church ministry, coming alongside the . God forbid: yea, we establish the law. I encourage everyone to dive into our Jewish roots. When a teacher uses improper definitions and deceitful arguments, they define themselves as false teachers. I was raised with a dispensational background.. and this book changed my life and opened my eyes to truth about Gods plan for victory. Testing everything is what the Church should be espousing, after all. BUT 119, like many others, are NEEDLESSLY hostile, most even WORSE than they are. I will pray for you, Leah, that the God of my ancestors removes the scales from your eyes allowing you to see the truth. Do you know why Yahusha spoke in parables? Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which you had from the beginning. Ive seen so many changes in the last 3 decades in Christendom. Yahushua prayed in the garden Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done. that sums it up for me, who Yahushua was submitting to. I pray you do! Very dangerous grounds and to think that what they claim Pauls letters to the Galatians mean supersedes the Words of Jesus Himself? We have been commanded to follow after him and his ways and Jesus was the example in how to live. And, a conspiracy theory of feminized Christian scholars is a real thing! Well look at what God did to the 10 tribes (northern kingdom of Israel) who didnt keep His instructions and fell the way of doing what was right in their own eyes God DIVORCED them. May God bless you and your deliberation on this. Why does 119 Ministries present only two choices? Leah, I came across this post during a search. I was attempting to communicate that Isaiah 11:10 is true. Are in Jesus Christ Himself, for of HIS FULNESS I have received; GRACE UPON GRACE!!! They use emotional videos which engage the senses to sensationalize their message, granted that is the point of most audio/visual media; however when dealing with teaching people, emotionalism is underhanded in my book, on par with TV commercials. NO, as He still has to come back! They do not. Ill be sure to let you know when I do. Grace & Peace to you! We sent the paper to you for private review; we were ignored. Jesus says himself he was only sent unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. You make so many points well, logically. I dont know why the translators used new in so many places without making the distinction but this is a key to proper interpretation of things related to commandment (as seen here), and to covenant and priesthood. Servethe Body of the Messiah by offering free, testable, easily sharable, quality teachings for you and your house. If this is not a move of YHWH it will die out and come to naught but if it is of YHWH you will find yourself fighting against the one who you claim to worship. Unfortunately, 119 Ministries uses the same techniques of deceit. I could go on and on, but their is no need for me to do that, you have access to scripture.. PS: Yahusha is NOT Yahuah in the flesh. If, like many Christians believe, Rav Shaual had written against the Torah or any other part of the Holy Scriptures, then that would have made him a pathological liar and a false prophet. Here is a question to the Authors of this page: What are you defending? Feel very free to discuss your relationship with God based on the written witness of scripture as you understand. If believers in Yeshua would only ask the Holy Spirit to open their eyes so that they could indeed see that the Bible is one huge, perfectly synchronized and combined story of redemption for all who choose to believe and obey Yahweh the way He asked us to. go look at the Septuagint in the Greek and you will see that where Israel is mentioned it is the SAME word used there in Greek in the Septuagint as was used in the Greek NT and MIStranslated into church. 119 Ministries is the Hebrew Roots ministry of Jon Sherman and Steve Moutria. We are living in biblical timeswe are seeing prophecy being fulfilled before our eyes. I truly seek to discern the truth in the teachings of 119 Ministries. test everything, hold onto what is good - 1 Thessalonians 5:21. for you all who disbelieve the ministries that are out there doing the will of the Lord and not the will of man. 17 But you, dear friends, since you know this in advance, guard yourselves; so that you will not be led away by the errors of the wicked and fall from your own secure position. (Hasnt anyone every wondered why there were so many OTHER groups such as the disabled, gypsies etc who were ALSO murdered at Hitlers hand, yet get no sympathy or mention whatsoever?). Paul before his death even plainly over and over said no, the laws are not done away with, the same ones you are blaming me on trial for. It will remove the veil from your eyes and forever change your world. Tim is the author of this site (since 1999) and the book Know the Future that explains Revelation literally at last--including the key event of Wormwood (Rev 6-8). These are simply mean spirited accusation meant to discredit instead actually having a dialogue about why someone is doing something different than what you think they should do. The Hebrew Roots movement and even 119 Ministries are not cults. Faith with out works is dead. Another thing many forget is that God always tells His prophets what is to happen. (2Pe 3:18) but grow in the favour and knowledge of our Master and Saviour ????? And as long as you keep studying the Scriptures with a Greco-Roman mindset, you will always miss the mark and you will always misunderstand what those of 119 Ministries are saying regarding the very biblical phrase: test everything. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another., Jesus Christ commanded us in the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19-20) to: Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. The fact that you would proclaim all these to be true and box them all up nice and neat and call them the moral laws of God and leave it at that is what people like 119 ministries is trying to point out. Ephesians 2:14-18 makes it clear that He doesnt intend for us, as gentiles, to become Jews. Studying the law of Moses is edifying in understanding Gods law and His will for His people / church. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); There are a few things I have questions too that they have published. Could it be fear? Thank you Randall for engaging with openness to at least hear where I am coming from. All 119 is trying to do is truly, unbiasedly challenge believers in Yeshua to test and prove what they believe. Test Everything. My hope is that other families who are struggling to sort out their faith avoid shipwreck, keep the faith and stay hidden in Jesus Christ! By the way, if you read the Book of Acts and his letter to the Galatians, you will clearly see that he never stopped being Jewish. Alas, they are too wrapped up in tickling ears and keeping traditions and arguing over which denomination or belief patterns got it right and trying to keep the masses happy. The one who died for you and me, thats Who. No matter how they try to spin their teaching, it is false teaching! I have started listening to some of their teachings and find them very humble in their presentation . Also by Jesus saying He came for the lost sheep, hes fulfilling the messianic prophecy you spoke of from Jeremiah. Finally, your attempt to school me on understanding Paul in the context of the passage itself and how his original readers would have understood the term is laughable when you refuse to consider that your fanciful understanding of Lev. Oh and those dietary things Ya we dont have to do that well because, this was only for the Jews Oh and Israel, oh and the Nations that follow after one true God.. This is common knowledge but you are free to believe however you want bro. Throughout Christs ministry he spoke nothing but the Torah, Leah. The two choices presented by 119 Ministries are absolutely misleading. For example, Jim Jones was a false teacher that came from a protestant denomination, thus all protestants are false I dont think so. Romans 6:14 Then I realized our error and it was very subtle ..We never looked at where WE might be in error . Blogs such as this just support my conclusion. No thanks. The Fall feasts and the other prophesies have not happened yet. He mentions this: The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. (vs 10). 33 THIS IS THE COVENANT I WILL MAKE WITH THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL after that time, declares the Lord. There is no entity called the church that has replaced Israel. The fruit taste delicious.!!! This blog is not my job, just one thing I can try to do when I have time. Certainly you are not following all the Mosaic Law (613) because the temple no longer exists nor do the Levite priests. Pleroo is most certainly used in the context to fill up, to fully preach and the logic 119 uses is sound as a test. If you would like more Scriptures of defending the truth Id be happy to add more to this list. I am sorry about your experience with the Roman Catholic Church. Christians need to read the Old Testament (how many I wonder actually know that the Bible was split in two testaments by the Catholic Church? Father YAH laws are perfect and I try to obey them out of love but NOT out of demand. Simply, the entire flow of Scripture, from Gan Eden, before the fall, until at least the end of the Millennial Kingdom is Patriarchal. How has God changed your life so you can love Him and others in a pure spirit and concrete manner? If we think we can do it better than Yahweh originally articulated rules for life, then we are foolish at best. If you disagree, then you will need to conclude that Jesus also did what he just said was WRONG. Pray diligently to understand that Paul did not speak of the law of God as being bad to be under but that it was the law of sin and death (again, context is key). Well, we have this the gate is narrow, not wide! Let me know if you have any questions. In other words ..our enemies are in dire need of grace and only those who know grace and love ..those who have been born again , can demonstrate it . You dont have to agree that the other sheep are Gentiles, but if hes talking about Israel as his sheep, it is at the very least reasonable to conclude his other sheep are non-Israel. As a Messianic Jew, I do not accept everything in the Talmudic writings as being inspired by God. They teach people how to be seen as great in the kingdom of heaven. 119 has key teachings that started making since after several yeas of study. We have been separated for approximately 2000 years from the full influence of Jesus (Yehoshua) and his first Apostles. Also the "Trinity" is out the window! Pray for wisdom and study the scriptures asking God to keep you grounded in the truth. I will check the settings, but Im not sure thats something I can set on my end. 3 expounds upon the idea that were not brought into Israel and made Jews of a sort; were brought into Jesus and made into a whole new people group where our identities are lost, save for being identified as in Christ. Its about the rapture theories. I believe there is one way to Salvation and that is through Christ Jesus. Now we have to ask when/where did Abraham get these commandments? My prayer is that the God of my ancestors (Avraham, Yitzakh and Yaakov) will heal those emotional wounds so that you dont have to continually suffer from such a terrible tragedy. Are we there yet? Remote tribes in countries where the people groups are simple do not need to be taught Hebrew to understand the gospel: they need to be introduced to the living God who will lead them into all truth. Anyways, this is one more thing God accomplished through Jesus restoration of the original bride-to-be I can detail that in another post if you choose. Amen! As an example, He taught in John 13:34, A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. Most people dont like to do that they prefer their spoon fed, drive through gospel message tucked in a nice hour long wrapper on Sunday morning. It is a blueprint for moral living! I have tried to see if HR Will stand and Act on the Very Instruction of Savior- master- King Jesus. We are all called to study and test these things. How enlightening, Most Informative. I dont agree with 119 ministries sabbath teachings. What would the Churches in your area need to correct? Even the new commandments given by Christ are found in the Old Testament/Torah. The only Scriptures possible at that time was the Tanakh (OT) as the NT was not even in existence yet. This is not the will of the father and he wants his people to desire to keep his word and commandments not feel as if they have to or because it makes you look good and holy. I will keep studing my brother as you have requested and i have been doing for awhile. But Torah keeping jubilee, atheist neighbor aside, just to be clear, true salvation only came through our faith in Yeshua and our faithful obedience to Yahweh was enabled through the empowering of the Holy Spirit to look past mans rules and straight into our Scriptures with no pastor. We see in scripture that emotion or perception can often be misleading. The Jews believed that Simon Bar Khokhba was the Messiah. It is a blessing and joy to encounter Gods Word with deeper thought and earnest deliberation. If you continue in the letter to the Galatians..in that 3rd chapter you quoted above. I have tried to at the least be aware of the Holy Days and when the new moon is etc I find it for the most part accurate to the Jewish Calendars of today. If so, did you point out that Leviticus 20 lists the penalties for each of the prohibitions of Leviticus 18? ( Romans 8:1-3) and so on. Yes I agree that the New Covenant is a better covenant since it was built upon a higher mediator. I finally decided, to stop looking outside of Scripture for answers & just ask God what He means. They talk about salvation, yet they dont know what they need saving from. If you come across something in scripture that you do not believe or it bothers you ask the question WHY. I have Read Tovia Singer and follow him and his current opinions, It is too bad you reject Yeshua and Tovia as well. God gave the Mosaic Law as the torah (instructions) associated with the specific covenant He had with the people of Israel. So by how youre understanding Pauls words then that also implies basically Jesus lied in Matthew 5:17-19. For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. Full disclosure: I do the same at times. You cant take a few verses here and there to phase out others. Lastly, the book of Acts (written most likely by Luke, of the Gospel of Luke) declares from Jesus lips: Former JWs who were taught that Jesus was not God Former Jews who were taught about a Messiah they couldnt even recognize as Messiah because of how Rome twisted who Jesus really was and yet Jesus was fully Jewish, fully a Rabbi and never once broke Gods laws (the Sabbath one was about breaking the Pharisees extra laws not Gods laws) so these Jewish people never knew their very own Messiah until their life was almost over so they were angry ALSO (not just HR people) but they will ALL have to have their time to **grieve** their loss of their former life and AS they let Holy Spirit work in them it will pass. Torah was passed on orally. Does not scripture state where there is no law the is no sin? Well we did this and ran into protestants who said we were going to hell because we were going back under the law. 25 At that time Jesus said, I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Depending on who you ask which cult do you profess? This is the Law written on our hearts and without action is dead. Along with that note that it is very clear with whom the NEW COVENANT will be made: The house of Israel and the house of Judah (aka northern kingdom and southern kingdom respectively.) He does not say, And to seeds, as referring to many, but rather to one, And to your seed, that is, Christ. It was a personal conviction by God and His word. Whose commandments? So why does it only apply to Israel in ancient days, and not now? Naturally everyone is entitled to their opinion. Jesus wasnt at all proclaiming a coming kingdom of law; he was proclaiming the dire need for a Savior for those less righteous than the Pharisees. Simplest example being the parable of the mustard seed had NOTHING to do with size but rather the character of it being able to survive and grow through the worst of (soil) conditions because mustard seed is an invasive weed in Israel. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS DEPEND ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS. In other words ALL of the Law encompasses these two. I have seen Nehemiah Gordon make that argument, and to the best of my recall, I do not remember seeing you acknowledge Gordon. Program 1. After reading literally every single comment on this blog, I must say it has been very informative and each side of the debate is very spirited. Are there only two choices? But it wasnt translated from Hebrew, it was translated from Greek. How the church lies. The Jews today, are the only ones who obey and keep them! Then if a person claims to be a student of the word of God (the scriptures)? The same can be said about saturday worship (saturn). Those who are deceived with a different spirit and different Jesus are the last to know. 1st Corinthians 8:2 And belief is different than faith for many people believe many things but faith, like love has a cost . For if I hate my brother who I have seen, then how can I love God, whom I havent seen? I believe Jesus did in fact come to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, now it is upon us to be diligent in understanding what this is. The teachings are disseminated by the 119 Ministries website, youtube, vimeo, and podomatic through internet streaming. It has to be, otherwise we have all been deceived and Psalm 119 was not inspired by the Holy Spirit. Wrong again. They simply teach the truth which is sadly not being taught in traditional churches. Jewish Boy Natans Near Death Experience: From God or Something Else? the only rebuttal you need is Dr Michael Browns continuous rebuttals to Tovia who refuses to debate Dr Brown since the last open debate. What does YHVH mean in Joel 2:28, I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh ? If thats not division, then I dont know what is. Many Hebrew Roots/Torah observant people actually do things in love. It therefore comprehends theology, as a system of doctrines or principles, as well as practical piety; for the practice of moral duties without a belief in a divine lawgiver, and without reference to his will or commands, is not religion. Peter was warning against what your perception of the new covenant is. It wasnt until the last apostle John died that all these hereitical doctrines became mainstream. walking as Jesus walked that is judgement and doing the opposite of what he in no doubt preaches from the Pulpit. (2Pe 3:16) as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand,c which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. No. Its not worth it. Ps depending on the particular situation, Christ thru me expels or can take control of demons inside others either in public or private. Please read the word, understand before you spread confusion and bitterness. 35 By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another. -John 13:34-35 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full. God will abundantly give to us all and the Holy Spirit in us will produce its fruits. Woman more than anything are looking for a strong spiritual . Gal 5:3 "For I testify again to every man that is circumcised [law keeping], that he is a debtor to do the whole law.. 28:18-20). Mark 7 is a perfect example with Acts 10 of what happened in those two examples on food. The Brit Hadashah (New Covenant or New Testament Scriptures) hadnt even been codified until long after the apostles death. I have corrected some things they have posted and have seen them change their position on certain things presented. Many Christians, who are utterly ignorant about my people or my culture, seem to enjoy jumping to unfounded or unsupported conclusions regarding the contents of the New Testament. And in the whole discourse of John 14 where Jesus is talking about He & the Father being one, Jesus never once mentions obeying Torah. I do believe that it is possible to be a third option or a 4th I just havent seen any presented that fit the immediate context of that passage or the greater context of the surrounding context. In the case of 119 and the Hebrew Roots however, they are the ones that enter the building still wearing construction gear and hard hats because all of the regulations still apply. Not that I can see! After I finish going through all their teachings, Ill hopefully get to tackle the book youve challenged me to read. Perhaps you follow only some of them. 3:29, We were made to belong to Christ at the point of Abraham & the promise, not at the point of Moses & the Law. When I stand before God I can say I chose not to partake of anything that might remotely offend Him. Being formally married does not negate or abolish the vows. I am talking about the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob who is the Creator of the universe and much more. Do you believe in the Spirit of God? I am, however, sick and tired of watching the majority of Christians being manipulated by the Adversary, who takes enormous pleasure in using many of you to hurt my people and keep us as far away as possible from the truth about our Messiah. I thought to myself, Why would our Creator allow for us to keep all the other commands, but do away with one? Why appoint times for special feasts to be held that were meant to be everlasting only to do away with them later? Why do people feel that the commands of God are considered burdensome or to be in bondage? If we were given Ten Commandments and are taught about them from early on, why do we teach later that we still have Ten Commandments, but only live by nine? think about it because this is Key to the quote you gave The Covenant that was entered into was a renegotiation first the offer was to be written on the hearts of men, they refused that offer and counter offered give us a man a mediator and what ever you say to him that we will do The covenant was to be judged and condemned by a mediator of Gods law. From all i read and hear from them it is borderline cult at the least heretical teaching. Tovia will debate with anyone, any Christian pastor except Dr Brown. a vehicle to disseminate Yahweh's truth and the whole Word of God to help others alsoseek, teach and live out the truth of the Word. I, as a born again believing Jew, say to Christians everywhere, the exact same thing. It seemed to me that everything I was taught was biased. God wants us to desire(WANT) to keep his commandments and laws because this is his will. WITH his precious blood and with the help of the advocate (which you should have received after your baptism) we can and should keep his commandments because it is the fathers will for his law to be fulfilled on earth by his children. Our earthly Messiah only spoke the words given Him by His heavenly Father. . My wife and i have 33 years together. You can either put aside your wounded pride and hurt feelings and remember that God can use his servants to chastise those whom he loves. There is considerable deceit in this world, yet we are forewarned consistently by Gods Word. (see the books of Isaiah and Jeremiah regarding idolatry) Think about all the crimes committed against my people in the name of a false Messiah who orders his followers to ignore what is written in Deuteronomy 13: 13 (12:32) Everything I am commanding you, you are to take care to do. 5 The light shines in the darkness, For example Jesus says you have heard it said it is against the Law of God to commit adultery, but I say if you even look at a women with lust you have ALREADY committed the act. And Im not trying to be rude or disrespectful to anyone at all? It is laying out a proper way to interact and not create senseless arguments since it is teaching, discipleship, love and the Holy Spirit that will guide so long as a person wants to continue growing in her relationship with the Father. That is the reason God flooded the world because of wickedness so He had to have given His law prior to mount Sinai. See ticket information, a trailer, the cast, and more at the link below or above . Ive asked for a while & will continue. These other ministers of the Gospel are very quick to show their true nature in the way they present themselves just like a wolf venomously biting and ripping into the flesh of other believers. We believe we are saved by grace through faith in the Word of God (Jesus/Yeshua). He never spoke of a future apostle who would say to neglect what God, Moses, Jesus and His disciples taught. Jesus NC blood was offered in heavens Temple for all sin ever committed. 119 Ministries desires to be only focused on the truth of His Word, and not on any person or any organization. Thanks for your post. Jesus Christ (Yashua, his Hebrew Name) and Yahweh are looking for a people, his elect, his saints, his bride to be that will Love him through keeping his commandments, statutes and charge. Perhaps a study of what happened to the northern kingdom of Israel is in order to understand how profound this mixing is (hint: God divorced them for their spiritual adultery.) To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law. By the way, a Judaizer is someone who convinces people to follow man-made doctrines above the Torah, the Prophets and the Holy Writings (from Psalms to 2 Chronicles according to the Hebrew order, the one recognized by Yeshua and his disciples). (Renewed because the Greek is kainos not neos. Paul hard to understand? BTW if you thing the feasts have been done away with then why in Zach do we see where ALL mankind in the New Millennium are to observe the Feast of Tabernacles? If you claim that the sabbath & His feasts are not forever and take scriptures out of context to support a the law (Gods instructions) have been done away with, you have to take away so much out of the bible; remember we are warned in both the OT & NT to NOT take away or add to His word. He fulfilled Passover, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the feast of First Fruits, and Pentecost to the letter!! Well, in all honesty, I couldnt care less what you think of me. the next time you same Amen, or Hallelujah in the middle of speaking English you are guilty of your own accusation. A covenant besides the Sinai Covenant. Many english words have their origin in latin , greek and of course hebrew I say Amen out of tradition but I also say Let it be so Sean I am not against understanding some Hebrew for the meanings of the words are obviously important just as in english. My name is Antonio. You are CHOOSING to dismiss that evidence based on a conspiracy theory. They merely include the 1 you no doubt exclude. To say that Yeshua worshipped the church is to attack his nature and work at all levels. I will say this , Paul in his letter to the galatians knew very well where the attempt of reaching perfection through the keeping of the mosaic law would lead to the killing of the spirit ..to the keeping of the outward at the cost of the inward I have seen it written by a founder of the movement ( Hebrew Roots) that sacrifices are not done because there is no temple in Jerusalem and no priest and this because of mans disobedience ..this is not true.