When I emailed him asking to clarify if he believed working moms are disobeying Gods call, he forwarded my letter to an assistant to respond and I never really got a clear reply. C. J. Mahaney was a promoter of toxic Calvinism for years and look what happen to those who were fed a steady diet of it at his SGM churches. ZechZav wrote (quoting an established evangelical motivational speaker): Im very upfront with my role to my church [sic]. Smyth has preached 20 out of a possible 35 Sundays since he was hired! Possibly a merger of IMB and NAMB which would be useful bury several issues *and* create new opportunities. I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. Like your husband, I am deeply touched when a pastor knows my name & uses it in a kind way. My reference to man was meant as human.. The thing about touchpads is they are sotouchy. I did join it after attending for a year and then left after four months. __. Of course there are many in between, but I continue to be amazed how many people do not put much thought into what they do and say.. our immediate culture is makin this worse. So yes, I do think they dont really care about the other things, too. And while Im at it, Ive been on enough church building projects to know that buildings and public meetings arent necessarily blessings. Every church needs an actual pastor who actually is physically present and actually knows and cares for his people. I have mentioned the FIEC network in the UK and they are selling themselves out to the Go$$$pel Coalition. Meeting in homes instead of large church buildings? It is ended, neither by might of appeal (marketing) nor power of delivery systems, but by My Spirit, says the LORD. Many dont. Yes but the issue of him and Calvin being promoters of Valentinian Gnosticism was put to bed a long time ago. Both monologue (preaching) and dialogue (teaching w/discussion) are valuable in the Church. They must have gone in in laparoscopically. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. As I recall, that didnt come out too well for them, or for their father. @ ZechZav: Everyone that knows anything must have taken a vow of silence. abortion, homosexuality or swaying opinion in favour of Trump over Clinton (or the reverse)). I do see the Body of Christ doing all those things, and more, but not paid clergy. And therein lies the rub. Maybe he is off balance. In oterh words, find a real church., Lydia wrote: So why do we continue supporting this made up role? Its important to be patient and understanding when communicating. I briefly attended McLean Bible Church, pastored by Lon Solomon, back in the mid-1980s. This is odd to me. Thanks Grad. It has less than half the members and attendance it had when he came. Flash forward about 20 years. Case in point; many years ago my mother, a widow, attended a small church. I am surprised the IMB would go for this. Spy He is the author of the New Yo They actually have a very limited impact. But that doesnt make him wrong for being basically a supply preacher. Actually, it is the Biblical model. Anointed preaching/proclamation is a big part of this witness. WebAt the minute 4:40, David Platt said that we [Christians at T4G] in a sinful world have blind spots that we cannot see on our own and I fear that I, that we, dont really want to see them. Then he used the text of Amos, and the idea of the sinful Jews described in that book of the Bible, as a parallel to the audience. Surely the pastor should be praying and asking God what He wants the pastor to say to this particular congregation in this particular moment? What does any of this have to do with God? The reason I put in ot was so a life saving medical test could be approved for a 2 year old child. It was taped and shown later. So if it is the means then why are people upset when Platt says that people need to get with it regarding the means? Silence, as the cancer stealthy grows? This is made up of churches that left the Churchn of Scotland over homosexual ordination/ marriage etc and other churches that either are or became independent within the Gospel Partnership group. I wanted to remain in that role. ADA Only You Jesus 4). Experts warn David and Victoria Beckhams little girl may end up with speech or dental issues if she continues to use on, wrote Jemma Buckley in an article for The Daily Mail. And I have also been enriched by being able to participate in some of the missions work at McLean. David Tennant is dying to work with Aaron Sorkin. It would seem that Paul is drawing attention to those who perform their offices well. Books. Mahaney.) Local believers who had plenty sharing personally with other local believers who had need? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8xysVNigCsU, Has MBC been corrupted from the simplicity of Christ ? @ refugee: Thanks for asking . His sermon on Acts opened our eyes when he introduced some social justice themes in his sermon that had literally nothing to do with the text. And then, in adulthood, we become the teachers, the feeders ourselves? He always seems to focus on relational aspects, having a good marriage and family life, caring for each other in the church Never a guilt trip about not being missional enough. Most people happen to believe that a pastor should be more than a podcast on legs. I learned recently that these titles are very important in that world. I think the problem is less than someone might be only delivering sermons than that they are being paid, essentially, a full time salary or a hefty salary and are refusing to do the traditional ministerial/pastoral duties. @ Deb: @ Gram3: We talk about the Pope and Pravda, but I think thats because some of us have seen scary stuff. We had not heard of David Platt before he came there, but we have already decided we will be moving on. Or when the weekly sermon is the main source of our biblical sustenance. There are now NO laypeople chairing committees. Imagine how differently the church would impact the world if the money spent on buildings and salaries went to meeting needs? The scripture is profitable for.. several things, but it is not a restrictive procedure manual for administrative details about how to do church. We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?, @ Chris: Jesus refereed to shepherds and called Himself a shepherd a number of times. If I baked you 10 cookies but one had poison would you eat one or just throw the entire batch out? He will have no administrative or pastoral duties other than simply preaching on Sunday. Improvements in administration were sorely needed and we have become better stewards. You left out charlatans and congenital liars. (Make it uncomfortable for them by degrees, so that they sign or leave? But you know what I mean: they didnt go there predominantly to be public speakers. Stomach full of staples for another week, but back to work with a few restrictions. than I do . Do you think Platt is making a permanent transition here? For me personally, it takes faith to be known in a church. We were rather shocked about his attitude toward pastoring. Vs 14 God says I know He Aaron can speak very well obviously God knew that Moses did have some legit problem with speech like stuttering. I dont know Platt. It is not a place where 1 man is in charge. As JMJ over at Christian Monist would frequently point out, theres a LOT of Guilt Manipulation in the church. Maybe the problem is not David Platt but the mega church experience. Sorry for initiating a rabbit trail but to clarify a classical liberal is more like a libertarian but sees the need for just a tad more government. Lift up your voice mightily, O Christian, bearer of Jesus good news; lift it up, do not fear. How many of our churches are creating spiritual diabetics? Please preface it with, As the New Testament CLEARLY shows in XYZ. Yeah, I know several families that were in Nepal in a similar sense, one family for 20 yrs or so, 6 days walk away from the nearest road, while the others did veterinary work in an area almost as rural. @ Todd Wilhelm: A lot of nonsense is talked about peoples fear of public speaking. Yes, Hug. I am sure my staff are wondering why I laughed so loudly a moment ago. (But seriously, 20-25 hrs a week on prep? Theyre either ignorant of the law or lying to you and blowing you off. How to Resign from a Church Nice to hear that I wasnt the only one to notice this and it wasnt just my imagination. The Church is there to train us, teach us. The Youth and Family Pastor becomes Youth and Family Director when held by a female. To be fair to Platt, in his final sermon I referenced he actually made a strong plea for Christians to go to different countries not as professional missionaries, but as workers with regular jobs who can spread the Gospel through normal contacts and also assist to strengthen local churches. I just see things through a very different lens. Thats interesting. I could elaborate, but the post would be too long. You cant have it both ways and these special privileges may prove to be a future rationalization for government meddling. McLean Bible Church was obviously looking for a high profile name to be their teaching pastor. You can support him by experiencing him as your pastor for several years. According to SBC This Weekhe is only going to teach (give sermons) and will not do anything else in the church. @ AnonInNC: They plan on filling his role with members speaking and an occasional pastor from another related church. It seems perfectly obvious to me that He wants more when it comes to eternity than just hanging around and thinking pleasant thoughts, so to speak. To my knowledge neither Platt nor Furman have apologized for the scam they took part in. You will realize why you cannot live up to his standards.He is *better* than you although he will tell you he is the worst sinner that he knows. I think youve summed it up pretty well. I totally disagree with that concept. ___ Personal study is critical, and if a pastor can get the flock to let their fingers do the walking, then he has done a great service. Muff, yes, yeppers, yessiree everything has to be done according to the Bible. I am certainly not saying that my job is equivalent to giving a sermon at church. I bet Mac Brunson is now going to become on of the Calvinistas. As I wrote last night, the trend over the last 20 years (and especially the last 10 years) has been consolidation of power around Mohler and Mohler loyalists with the only doctrinal essentials being Authoritarianism (meaning loyalty to whatever they say) and Complementarianism. He knew when He inspired the authors of the Bible just exactly what would be going on now. Yeah, I have had to have church at home on three different occasions in life. He needs a vacation, so do I from LIFE. Recently, a few of these guys were in Germany for a few days doing the Martin Luther tour. +++++++++++++++++++++++. What is Jesus gospel? Why would the love of God mean that we were created to merely be lap dogs good for nothing more than some sort of warm fuzzy feeling. Would be beneficial if more people pastored in like fashion. He and his wife have 7 children. It seemed like individuals from same small group would always have something to share while everyone listened. I am sure David Platt is a nice guy. I met him the first time his visited this spring and he has remembered me and called me by name ever since (something akin didnt do for the 12 years we have been there.) The Forgotten Mandate: Feed My Sheep or Putting Bread on the Table. Third thought is what is wrong with Trustees in the SBC that they cannot act? David respected Saul as Gods anointed, even though he had good cause against him. I grew up Church of Christ however; denominations mean nothing to me. so, having a pastor think for me is very easy.. For what its worth, I preach somewhere around 10 Sundays a year doing pulpit supply around my area. But who else is going to feature that boring hallway that nobody ever uses? @ Gram3: By loving them we glorify God because God is love. Of course, were they to turn it into a profit center and start renting it out for profit, thatd be different, but nothing in the tax code stops them from performing a community service like that. Please preface it with, As the New Testament CLEARLY shows in XYZ, Law Prof wrote: This week, it was announced thatDavid Plattwill soon be voted on to be the new teaching pastor atMcLean Bible Church. Remembering your thoughts from another post equating charismatics need for a sign (miracles) and evangelicals need for a sign (changed lives), I suppose preaching is another sign that is used to mesmerise the patrons, and like you suggest, build an empire. This post has many thoughtful insights, especially the character qualities needed to be a loving pastor. He allegedly just got another huge land gift and may be getting ready to build a mansion on the river. Bless him). That was a while back, though, when parsonages were still en vogue. We are called to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, so the more I followed up with Davids teaching I found that he plays fast and loose with Gods word. i have a feeling it is an easy process. Count it all joy to pay the cost and reveal His worth! WebSpeech impediment, or speech disorder, happens when your child cant speak or cant speak so people understand what theyre saying. David said, Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies. In the tabernacle was a table with showbread and a candlestick. Perhaps it could be in a negative senseIOW, everything this man said to do, do the opposite. Hmmmis there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? Theres always beauty in a cushy paycheck. He isnt married in order to allow him to be the uberparent to the parish. But I know I cant do that forever. Personally, this is sad because we have a long-ago connection to McLean Bible. For me, its a point of emphasis. I lead meetings as part of my job in problem management; Im generally expected to do two or three a week. Lots of kids to boot. Whos We? And somebody please give me chapter and verse where it says that all these task skills need to be present in one person. My son is also in his prime (26) which certainly helps recovery. What their job is, without exception, is pastoring a church for expats. Yes marketing is creating more customers, and increased investment in distribution helps to deliver the product and access to more markets; but a shifting of resource allocation and cost-cutting measures are needed. but Pastor is certainly not it. Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. With the IMB and the NAMB and 9Marks and ERLC there, it sure looks like there will be political consolidation in D.C. of what used to be known as the SBC. I disagree here. They went to provide medical expertise and other practical support to Nepalese men and women while they preached the gospel. It is a very odd collection of characters. Is there a bonus for adding Lead Prophet and/or Head Apostle to the title? No longer is this business an artisan bakery, but a big time corporation. Joined a lovely little church which felt like family the moment I walked in the door. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. Ok, maybe Im missing something but hes offering to preach for free, the church is being very wise in theyre decision making, David Platt knows his family and what he needs to do to spend time with him. Incidentally, Platt captained England on numerous occasions and his Wiki bio says the following: The official England history regarded him as a tireless runner and tidy passer, leading by quiet example providing inspiration at a time when it was a rare commodity. They will respond with worship to the created thing Idolatry. Here is a cautious, rather underwhelming, statement from the trustees att the IMB: Our president, Dr. David Platt, has expressed a deep sense of calling to serve as teaching pastor of McLean Bible Church while also continuing to lead the International Mission Board, Dilbeck said. Without a revelation of Who God is, the people will run wild, unrestrained. Insidious idolatry always tries to put the created thing ahead of the Creator. Im astonished this is not the done thing, at least in my town. The Church is there to train us, teach us. But we didnt expect him to know us all by name, succor us through the tough times of life, or somehow be there for us 24/7. I met a lady online and we agreed to meet at McLean Bible Church, where she attended, for their morning service and then have lunch afterward. Id be very interested. But now most megas treat their head/lead/teaching pastor as the answer to continued success as a church and I think its a reason for this very unhealthy obsession with Christian celebrity pastors. Hmm-methinks my upbringing has given me an entirely different take on what the preacher should be. No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. final sermon at The Church at Brook Hills today and he stated he still has the dream of going on mission to Nepal. But if somebody puts out substance I will sit on the pew and put money in the plate and forgive an awful lot to get it. They are very thoughtful about these sorts of things, actually. In recent years we have made great strides in add ministry; that is, administration. We are in a church in which the pastors do show love and humility. 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