To PROVE to the people that GOD EXISTS and He is Who He says He is! Why is there so many reference in the NT of God using blood(death) & water(life) from the OT in making a covenant with His people? I continued to suffer pain for almost another year, before going to a chiropractor, where I was first x-rayed, then we discussed my history. So if you dont speak in tongues you are: Torben Sndergaard even speaks about people being baptised multiple times; two, three and even four times in the following video, and he quotes Acts 19 to back up this teaching. Correction ! The Danish citizen had been living with family in North Carolina since last year, and he's . The elitist claims to have personal relationships with God and to regularly receive divine visions. He loves those hungry believers. Amen, Marilyn..this is just something I have been becoming more aware of in recent times. But God has` His keys,`for studying His Word. I desire mercy not sacrifice. , (John 1:33) And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.. Torben opens himself up to such testing be posting these videos. [url removed]. Some fall into the ditch But, do you recall a single event, where Jesus did something that the heathen did, or that the enemy did? Amen meanwhile press on saints. Remember Moses staff and miracles brother? The Transfiguration was either TELEPORTING or GHOSTS APPEARING..which the bible condemns calling up spirits of the dead. believe this authentic move of the Holy Spirit is only recent..? One day, after they had put GOD IN A BOX, they did not INQUIRE OF THE LORD and just took the Ark of the Lord and put it in front of them and went into battle. God plants us as good seed WHERE HE WANTS US IN HIS FIELD- then we simply let Jesus shine out from us and people in the fields around us come running. I would ask any of you to go back and read your posts and if you feel convicted that you were acting in your flesh, to repent and seek Gods forgiveness for doing so. 4 But I have this [one charge to make] against you: that you have left (abandoned) the love that you had at first [you have deserted Me, your first love]. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spoke with tongues, and prophesied. No one could get him to stop rejoicing and praising God. 1) to fear, revere, be afraid (e.g. Yeshua needs no tricksters who appear to stretch out a leg to be a half inch longer. He was a new believer who just found out about the Grace of God, the redemption of the cross, the Word of God. For us to think we can do anything apart from God, means we have cut ourselves off from Him. There is just no convincing some people. Former followers, former board members of the organisation, the press, other churches, and professionals have described his organisation, The Last Reformation, as extreme, dangerous, and a cult. What the gentleman from Denmark is doing can to very easily be confused with the frauds and charlatans who claim to have healing ministries. We dont consider Him to have been of weak faith. When a person HONORS and SURRENDERS to the Holy Spirit AS GOD, then the Holy Spirit MANIFESTS HIMSELFHIS GOODNESS, LOVE, PEACE, JOY etc. Every valley shall be filled And every mountain and hill brought low; The crooked places shall be made straight And the rough ways smooth; And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.. The predominant aim of Revelation is the setting forth the splendours of the Son of Man, & to reveal His glorious person. (Although witchcraft might be in a different category than what He was addressing there.) So I am going to be featuring a lot more of Torbens stuff on here. I have no problem with that. Jonathan you said He feels the solitude of the leper`s loneliness & average, commonplace, everyday, garden, normal, ordinary, prosaic, routine, run-of-the-mill, standard, typical, unexceptional, unremarkable, usual, workaday; conformist, conservative, conventional; expected, familiar, knee-jerk, predictable; common, customary, frequent, habitual, regular. Yet when he went back up the mountain, God said to Moses, you write the law, you want it, and so while Moses was writing the law, God was telling him about His Son and grace. 1 Peter 3:20. Christs church is not some debate club and we must then try to win the debate. Jhn 14:16. Id take issue with just one thing the gifts of healings are for the common good of both the Body of Christ (the context of 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14, and the public at large (where the Apostle Paul also was used of God for healing, prophecy, and so on). You said, `the backdrop of the whole Bible is needed to understand the point & purpose of revelation.` So true. Afterfastingfor 40 days Torben Sndergaard also believes that God revealed a self-help book for him,[28]saying I will give you one chapter each day.[29]. Most of the deceptions are mixtures, so that is something to keep in mind, but unless they turn around, as time goes on there is less and less of God and more and more of the enemy. opposite ditch of Legalism and cynicism of anything supernatural. It imposes burdens on folk that they were never meant to carry, as well as false guilt that they arent doing what so-and-so is doing. Sndergaard is the founder of The Last Reformation, a worldwide movement that seeks to return Christianity to the Book of Acts. it is talking about each of us, or as a group, being so surrendered to HIS Presence that His Nature is tangibly MANIFESTED to the people around us. Thank you Roger! are called to go out and minister in the same, whether it is videoed or not! If we do that then we would start to veer off the road towards the ditch. There is a great emphasis in the Last Reformation Movement on feelings and the gifts and their 'model for church' is confined to Acts. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He (Jesus) explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` (Luke 24: 27). Ruining the faith of the faithful is most important to him. That is a hard material and so leaves me to see that God broke His own commands, not Moses. Person will mostly manifest a demon (Satan has to put on a show after all). Thats not to say that God wont act through people. The only way to know what is of God is for God to show you in some way, and all the people that do not live a life of obedience are unable to hear from God about some things . He is excited to share with others what GOD is doing. God doesnt need your help in getting His truth out. I agree with Andrew that there is a difference between cynicism and discernment. But many of the same practices are done at Johnsons school as well as Joyners school. Paul had an awful time with those type of people as we can see in Gal and Rom and also the author of Hebrews. It is the anointing that he wants to transfer onto people. Okay, you may lamb baste me again good Christians. 2 Tim 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing, but unto all them also that love his appearing, Jonathan, you ask Where do you get your identity? Jonathan, as a born again believer in our risen Savour the Lord Jesus Christ I am identified with Christ and in Union with Him and I/we Christians are currently seated with Him in heavenly places (Eph). He senses the tragedy of a disabled body, whether through lameness, deafness, blindness or dumbness. Then we have the words ANXIOUS; WORRY; CONCERNED used 21 times in the NT. This The Last Reformation Torben speaks about is none other than the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) /Latter Rain Movement. . He did not create us as clones, but as unique individuals, according to (and for) His pleasure. For years he has been an ardent supporter of the Toronto manifestations movement. To date in this generation the world spurns the people of God like people spurn the cheap Elvis impersonators . To all you dear brethren who choose to criticize, please repent and instead get out there and do it. It is sadly often, as Terri has said, that it is other Christians who have been disappointed or are afraid what others may think that pour cold water on the faith of others. Based on just the video alone, we cannot verify whether these healings are genuine or not. A Florida immigration judge has denied evangelist Torben Sndergaard's request for asylum. So, are you saying that water baptism is necessary to be saved and receive eternal life? At last this gives me hope I was beginning to think God had forgotten us who are ill = Yes, I always believed He heals today He just doesnt heal me No I wont let that effect me I love Jesus and always will and will always endeavour to follow Him as His Word says Trust and obey I will. His mother really meant a lot to him and when he heard this bad news he cried and cried and then he prayed to God. There are so many trying to warn others about this man. If youre not experiencing His tangible Presence in your private prayer time, youre missing the LIFE that Jesus Christ DIED TO GIVE TO EACH OF US for the salvation of the rest of the world. This i believe: Jesus was emphasizing both the Water and His pending Holy Spirit in Jhn 3:5 Christians out on the street very quickly to pray for the sick and Whats the point of us being baptised in water? Street preacher accused of smuggling arms from Mexico. Christ is displayed as being relatively, legally, morally & judicially qualified to uphold & maintain the will, the Word, the wisdom, & the work of God. Its high time we all get over the past fakes and Counterfiets we all have been burned by one way it another. Jhn 17:11 NASB I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. He regards the distressing circumstances of the poor widows. Amen. One one scripture the practice is built by many churches and the fact of doing something based one scripture is itself against the Word that requires 2 or 3 witnesses. nitpick every instance of the supernatural or the gifts of the He received no word about his application until a letter from the Department of Homeland Security summoned him to a meeting in Orlando, Florida on June 30th. They are all in a web of deception. Amen watchful that is exactly my hope and prayer.. . I simply yielded to what Jesus wanted to do in that household! 1 Corinthians 10:1. , A google search will bring up links on this subject.. here is one link: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel46.pdf, The Lord Jesus Christ He is true God and true man.. This why I said that you dont know me and you know absolutely nothing of my life. And Jesus said, Who touched Me? When all denied it, Peter and those with him said, Master, the multitudes throng and press You, and You say, Who touched Me? But Jesus said, Somebody touched Me, for I perceived power going out from Me.. If there is one, then I would ask the readers of this site to please post it for our enlightenment. I want to speak to God in an unknown language as well! Its called jealously, wanting somethingthat someone else has (all be it unbiblical and totally ungodly). reacted quite badly. We know from scripture what God thinks of hybrids/mixtures, so we are not to touch the unclean thing but come out of there. My entire life is spent in a life of obedience to our Lord. Yes, Jesus is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow. May we all have the zeal and faith of new believers who havent been tainted by the spirit of religion. Now that says to me that maybe those people throwing charlatan accusations had best be careful how they choose to voice their skepticism because if this is the work of the Holy Spirit, and I believe it is, then you are in a lot of trouble. Torben Sondergaard: Undercover journalists & money. The arm had been totally severed at the shoulder. He said no weapon FORMED against us will prosper and yet I can only think of one weapon that has been formed from the beginning, and that is the carnal mind, leaving me to understand that no carnal mind formed against us will prosper. Paul said with a loud voice, Stand upright on your feet. And he leaped up and began to walk. Seems that every time the Lord does something through someone, that is when the enemy wants to come in and steal kill and destroy, that which He has done. We continue on and learn until the day we exit to Eternity. fromheaven,orofmen? Torben Kjr Sndergaard, bedre kendt som Torben Sndergaard (fdt 9. august 1976 [2] ), er en dansk radikal kristen forkynder fra Brande i Danmark. I really dont think hes a charlatan, I just think we SERIOUSLY need to consider not doing things that look like trickery. it was very common in the early church and i just studed Jude , one chapter . Torben is the real deal because he seeks Christ and Christ alone. Yes, there are charlatans who do as you say regarding shortened legs. If I were to just watch the first video, I would definitely right Torben off as one more phony. Could you ever imagine Jesus holding up a persons legs, showing the legs to be different sizes? Where was the simplicity of Christ there? I have just posted a brief video (above) where Torben discusses the amazing things that happen when this is done. Thank you Lord Jesus! (Isaiah 60:1-4 KJV) Exd 4:6 KJV And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. Marilyn. Deliverance and healing all at once on a whole congregation of people? There is NO RECORD of what Jesus did SPECIFICALLY in those 40 days. Danish TV infiltrated his ministry with undercover reporters for a documentary called "God's Best Children," which lumped Torben in with other leaders of so-called "radical Christian" ministries who had had serious moral or ethical failures or even criminal activity. Just a glimpse of God`s great work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQrTjbzbByA. My email is jmesfjarjou@yahoo.com in case you dont want yours to be public you can send me directly if that is ok with you. There is a guy in the pool at 2:02 min he is speaking in tongues. Seymour burst out laughing. Read this article: http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/activator.html. By whose authority do you come hear and tell us that those people were not healed by Jesus? I do remember Him saying something about the Pharisees who was calling Him evil for healing and casting out devils. Why are not all of us down at our local shopping malls praying for people? When He praised the faith of people, it was not because of their orthodox theology, or the fact that they belonged to some organization, but on account of their simple faith in His person, http://awildernessvoice.com/OneBodyInChrist-Chapt06.html, Roger..Absolutely Beautiful. He has been the focus of several stories on national TV news, that even included a live interview. They had prayed for sick people before but sometimes God heals and sometimes He just takes them home to glory. It stole this new zealous believers faith, and he stopped seeing such wondrous miracles. Lightning amen! preached. If there is one charlatan, then they rebuke all who perform wonders and healings in the Name of Jesus. Thank the Lord Jesus! We need to go out and preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons and be led by the Holy Spirit as we read there. I received a comment from a Discerning the World reader who said: I have just found this page recently and I find it very interesting. That is a place where the sick could experience salvation and healing. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. 1 Corinthians 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.. Andrew J Horton, you said I didnt see anything weird or suspect or new age or whatever in any of these YouTube videos . 2) to cause astonishment and awe, be held in awe Only God knows. I was also to understand that the reason people have these emotions for so long, is because they do not understand death, and how LIFE comes from it. In one of those statements what Paul feared was that they were departing from the simplicity that is in Christ. None of these biblical miracles are present in WIERDSVILLE only out of control laughter, strange behaviors, hyper spirituality and complete powerless human sorcery . Its time to do an article on this guy. He is NOT MR. Wierdsville! And after all, Paul himself said that ANYTHING THAT IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN. 19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: EVERYTHING IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS BASED ON FAITH/TRUST AND SURRENDER. Maybe it was the fact that the video started The manna that came down from heaven.miraculously. Youre right on that. I dont know. Or, would he just rebuke the illness, and be on to the next person? According to the doctrine of Pentecostalism, if you cant speak in tongues, then you are not saved. What I have seen is that all kinds of problems arise when we tear out an entire chapter of the bible (and more!) The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is just the beginning to the spiritual and supernatural journey -we go on to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Judge Yon Alberdi, an appointee of Obama Attorney General Eric Holder, ruled Sndergaard did not meet the requirements for asylum. Thank you. Seymour spoke with a man who had lost his arm ten years earlier through a work-related accident. I was familiar with sick people, having ministered to them for so many years. Leaving them to hunger and thirst after more. The male, with a recorded age of 45 was arrested for suspicion of the below crimes: Bail has been set to $0 for Soendergaard which is listed as a white male. I DOUBT IT! Likewise, the couple is the parent of their children in every way. We walked out because we felt so oppressed. This is what deception is all about. Spirit of FIRE enters person and they start to speak in tongues, convulse, jerk, have visions, etc. Torben Sondergaard is paired with his delightful wife, Lene Sondergaard. Acts 14:10-15 1.Tom & Deborah, are you really saying that the baptism(Immersion) in water has no more power, does not form part of the Gospel & is worthless & can be disregarded completely? There were plenty of opportunities for this to be mentioned in the New Testament, but we never see it happening. The MANIFESTATIONS of demons are NORMAL when people are praying for DELIVERANCE AND CASTING THEM OUT. To accredit the winsome and wonderful man Christ Jesus with convulsions, animal noises, crears, hundreds of people acting completely out of control, jerking , wild shaking, out of control mocking laughter- to attribute these to Jesus is blasphemy and just plain stupid! They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in 8 suitcases. Unfortunately, not many details about his wife are available on the internet. If those like Torden are burdened to go and minister to the streets to glorify the risen Lord, who would prevent it? The Lord will honor the heart that seeks Him and is humble before Him, even if there are areas of the persons life which are not in full obedience to Him. The only reason I havent is that Andrew vouches for him and I know Andrews heart. Torben dunks these people in trash cans how insulting!Those that defend this man, are his Cult Members and they have no problem threatening those that speak out against him. Like just maybe he wants His fire burning, and not that of others? They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in eight suitcases. I do not consider any of the miracles Jesus did in any way wierd. Why Jonathan Cahn and His Revelations Must be, Stephan Joubert se Deurlees van die Boek Openbaring, Terms and Conditions for Submission of Comments, Freemasonry / Ordo Novum Seclorum / Illuminati, Exposed: Holy Spirit vs Unholy Spirit of Fire. We are to give witness to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, that He is alive in us doing the same works and even greater works. Sidelining the teaching of sound doctrine, the preaching of the message of faith in Jesus and sacrificial living and replacing these in mainstream Christianity with the seeking of spiritual experiences , sensuality, self indulgence and the worship and focus on angels and extra biblical revelatory encounters. I`ve felt people try & do that to me. Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. After commenting you have 15 minutes to EDIT your comment. You work so hard to promote the flesh that you think you can discredit or attack anyone who says any trickster can appear to lengthen a leg a half inch. Person now worships God, praises Jesus, and is Torben born again due to the fact that they can now speak in gibberish tongues. Excerpt taken from Your Power In The Holy Spirit By John G Lake. The deaf were healed and the lame 1)God is Who HE SAID HE IS. I asked her if me and my apprentice could pray for her. 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. The Holy Spirit does NOT base this on how HOLY a person is. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. Marilyn. The staff of Moses that he had in his hand turned into a snake as a sign to the Egyptians, we do not read of this miracle occurring later outside of Egypt..so think about what it was speaking to them. He believes this is a vital part of true disciple- I believe they would prefer to keep the status quo going, so that they do not feel compelled to go out in the highways and biways themselves. The Lord has put His Teachings (laws) in our hearts where we do not have to ask others but will know inherently His Will Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33-34. A glory cloud rose up at Johnsons church (there is even a youtube video of it) which many say was Gods glory falling and others showed it to be just glitter ( I think of Gods glory falling in past revivals and before Israel and how it brought their faces to the floor). 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. But I have Are you sure what you are talking, Hullo Artus. The Holy Spirit doesn't require a cookbook instruction manual the TLR promotes." WARNING If you choose to enter this site or watch our content and continue to support Torben Sondergaard in any way, you will be held accountable on the day of judgment for learning the truth and choosing to ignore the truth. Rather, it is the Holy Spirit authenticating the message I gave to you about Jesus Christ. We dont just sit back and say well God will take care of everybody so I dont have to be concerned or do at thing. Torben believes in taking new Christians out on the street very quickly to pray for the sick and share the gospel. a) to seek to promote ones interests In all the videos, I dont see evidence in those being healed of being brought to repentance and an acknowledgement of Jesus as Lord. He tells us to wait, to wait in our Jerusalem for the power from on high, for the spirits unction and then to go out. Brown Is LIVE on the Line of Fire every Monday - Friday from 3 - 4 PM EST On Facebook and Youtube.Sign Up for Weekly Updates! He had no interest in any institutional organization with worldly offices and laws. On the Last Reformation website, it is stated, "We believe that the church is facing a new reformation." Specifically, A reformation that will go deeper than any reformation before: away from church traditions, suffocating structures and countless meetings in church buildings. If youre not experiencing His tangible Presence in your private prayer time, youre missing the LIFE that Jesus Christ DIED TO GIVE TO EACH OF US for the salvation of the rest of the world. No believer who reads their bible would believe that person. The Lord commands us to obey Him and God never said we dont have to obey at any point in the word of God. of hyper-grace and hyper-charismania. As you said we are all parts of His Body & it is to Him we look & praise for what He is doing in us & in our brothers & sisters. My friends, that is not discernment. Barry, my dear friend in Jesus, you have shown us exactly what our Lord wants us all to begin doing in these last days. A spokesman for Sndergaard's legal team told CBN News that during his three hours of testimony at the asylum hearing on December 13, Torben was able to share the words of Jesus and how he has seen people healed and delivered. 1) to be anxious I used to think I was proud when I filled those out because I moved in every gift regularly Then I realized its NOT MY GIFTINGS BUT JESUS IN ME! I was only allowed to cry for a few minutes and God took the reins and pulled back my emotions and said, I have him. Sondergaard claims to be an apostle and healer of the faith. (Luke 7: 14) Hallelujah. Jesus has slowly turned that mass to water and graciously and slowly filled that dear womans bladder with that water!!! The leg lengthening thing Ive seen happen in real life and, no, it wasnt a trick because I knew everyone involved and they were almost as shocked as I was. 2.getting water baptized(immersed) on my faith in the name of Jesus He wanted all men to come to Him and have koinonia with Him, but He did not intend that those did come Him should have any exclusive group around Him. Many people have asked me what I know about Danish evangelist Torben Sondergaard, the founder of the Last Reformation movement, and whether he's part of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). If God lengthens a mans legs it is because He WANTS TO DO IT and because He loves the sons of men- that they would walk free of pain. Now you go and dunk yourself in a swimming pool, a bath tub? Unfortunately, my blog has been down for a bit, and I havent had a chance to get it back up. Mental facilities will be empty because everyone will be given a sound mind, just like the man with the legion of demons in him. happening. I think the scripture says THEY BELIEVED. I have actually known Torben personally for 5 or 6 years. No one has to prove to you that people got healed , Dont you know that? That is why we need to take care when posting our judgmental thoughts without first checking things out properly. to New Testament Christianity. Pharisees. Or worst, you are possibly even demon possessed according to Torben and this is what is blocking the false Holy Spirit from entering you and baptising you in FIRE. Jesus did a lot of disappearing acts.TELEPORTATION. We are merely obeying God who commands us to test the spirits to see whether they are from God because MANY false prophets have gone out into the world (1 John 4:1). If you will analyze that Greek word, you will see it means the life or substance of His being, the quickening, living power of God, the very nature and being of God., Torben is doing what God has commssioned him to do & i think thats Awesome! Bill Johnson can not save anyone, only God can. Amen., jda016 Jonathon, at one time B.Johnson of Bethel, denied the deity of Christ Jesus our Lord thereby teaching a false christ, a different Jesus. 2.Be baptized(Water grave) into the death, burial & resurrection of Christ, to enter a covenant with God, through Jesus who sanctifies us with His Righteous Blood. I would love to talk to people who are also victims, who had a bad experience with it, or whatever. Were the Hebrews experiencing New Age phenomena in the wilderness? God said for us to acknowledge him in all our ways and he will direct our paths. See this article: Ask to pray for a person, any person, hijack them in the street or a store if necessary, and lay your lands on them if possible. They also said Torben has lost at least 30 pounds since being jailed, but told CBN News, "It is very clear that God is providing him with supernatural strength and peace. Many of those he brought with him needed healing and left that evening fully restored as people in the crowd prayed and laid hands on each of them., This thought is not original with me. God always has and always will place things in the midst of His miracles that cause the insincere and the sceptic to be scandalized over and can be interpreted as either genuine or a scam. We never see any of the apostles commissioning new believers to go out and do this. Averyl, I also missed Randall & his posts. and also WITH the author of Hebrews. Sndergaard's legal spokesman told CBN News, "Torben's asylum case is very strong, the judge ignored the facts of the case, and Torben will not be deported anytime soon.". I simply yielded to what Jesus wanted to do in that household! Jhn 17:14 NASB I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 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