ad[8]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/JRBMbanner.jpg'; This rare M1908 Commercial Army P.08 variation is described in great detail on page 25, Figure 18 of Imperial Lugers 1991 by J. Faint illegible ink stamp inside the flap (Zeitz?). with LANDESPOLIZEI [7] (State Police) FR WRTTEMBERG-HOHENZOLLERN[8] marked on the indicating issue to the Railway Police in Halle. Pictured is another modified example. Brief explanation of the Danish HIPO-organization (as the name is mentioned again and again): HIPO was a Danish corps, established 1944 by the German Gestapo, recruited among Danish traitors after, most of the Danish policemen on September 19th 1944 were arrested and sent to concentration camps in Germany. Eagle over 83 is the marking for the responsable acceptance office for Mauser (WaA83). - Kommando Wuertzburg, Kraftfahr-Sonderabteilung, The instruction manual is pictured and other interesting details are described in. letters and numbers, and the information presented here addresses just is the only police instruction manual to mention the muzzle protector and its intended use with the cleaning rod and the 4mm sub caliber barrel insert. This legitimate variation 1 muzzle protector, as of this writing, has been known of for more than 40 years, being the first published picture of a muzzle protector, appearing in Luger by J. Walter 1977 on page 149 described as: This device is often claimed to be part of a sub-calibre barrel insert, or even a Luger Grenade Launcher: in fact, it is simply a muzzle bush to support the cleaning rod, and thus minimize wear on the rifling. Pictured is the holster used with the 1950s Bahnpolizei FN 1922 pistol, separate and together with pistol. Signed & Numbered by both authors. ad[6]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Cash2.jpg'; $1,000. links[5]='http://www.wwiidaggers.com'; 46 of these got executed in the years 1946-50 by firing squadrons of the Danish police. A first glance through the new evidence that became available to me does not change my opinion as stated above. Stay in the know. It is interesting that the well-known Luger dealer that sold the Sturgess cut-back LP.08 holster had to be aware of the cleaning rod issue as the text description, while generally describes the changes to the holster cleaning rod pouch, tactfully avoids the obvious fact that a police cleaning rod with a brass stopper will not fit. The production outlet was 100 pistols a day during that time. A single example exists of an extremely rare 1943 dated variation, made of impregnated pressed paper and is pictured in TPLAP, V3, page 1245 Fig. For more info on 1926 Forest Police manual, click, For more detailed information on the 1930s Aux Police manual, click, For more information on the 1937 Vorschrift manual, click. There is no doubt as to what variation of Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the new 1920s police cleaning rod with brass stopper with, at least, one Weimar era police station as evidenced in Weimar Lugers,1993 page 183, figure 47c by J. In the example 2 conversion, to a complete P.08 style holster, the rear, horizontal leather stock block was removed and twin belt loops were added, curiously, one wider than the other, which may be a later repair replacement. With his permission, I have posted it below. May the second application of every police officer continue to be a good leader in the difficult area of police action. they are found. with the following rear cover page translations, of which both Volume I and Volume II front and rear covers are identical, with the rear cover upper paragraph statement: The "Guide" compiled in Polizei-Direction or Knigliche Polizei-Richtung=Royal Police-Direction, Der Kgl. A 1925 dated report of the IMKK notes noncompliance and Geit dem Frscheinen der ersten Uuslage im Febraur d. Zs. For my database of police markings, could you tell me the serial number of this pistol and whether or not it has sear and/or mag safeties? In the TBLAP, Fig. Regarding the use of the police cleaning rod in the field it can be used without the barrel affixed Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector. links[0]='http://www.GermanMilitaria.com'; Note that the first photo posted by Ron has the same missing corner. The initials MG represent machine gun and the number being (page 108) 10th Training Corps or (page 216) with the 10 denoting the team number. Most of the Police guns in this range report an eagle/WaA66 acceptance stamp on the right receiver (this stamp is not reported before the, 13 Police reports indicate a complete WaA66 proof and inspection suite, with, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. ad[1]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Cash1.jpg'; Diese Frwgungen mssen die Grundlage fr die Uusbildung des Polizeibeamten bilden. There are impression lines around this WaA both top and bottom where the edges of the stamp have struck the leather. Sonderwagen-Staffel, gun 5, V. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1932. Barrel proof, some 1920 Police and Double Dated Lugers. Due to the different design of the variation 1 muzzle protector this particular interference issue is not encountered. Regarding the S. H.133. Das geistige Rstzeug fr seine Umtsausbung muss er so vllig besitzen, das ser jederzeit das Rechte trifft. These considerations must form the basis for the training of the police officer. Here are the rare Lugers (PHOTOS). My question, please forive if its too absurd, is" Why weren't the Riff Contract pistols ordered from the Simson Co.?" The 1928 Instruction for the Police of the State of Prussia, (V.f.d.P.) Pictured is a brown leather 1929 dated Gustav Reinhardt Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst K police inspection stamp and marked L. Sch.137. Akah made commercial holsters in the 1920s and 1930s with some used by the Germen Polizei. Many of its members (for example The military character and These consisted of the following city and Even though the unidentified holster has been modified to fit a P.08, it is suggested by collectors that the Railway Protection Police mostly used non-Luger pistols. (Bavarian) State Police. Pictured are view 1 and view 2 of this unusual marked police holster. Need Help?service@guns.comCall (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 2023Guns.com. A remaining question: who changed the 7.65mm barrels into 9mm barrels? As to whether any police Lugers were used in caliber 7.65 mm is uncertain, however, one example pictured in Luger Variations by Harry Jones 1959, page 291 titled: 1920 POLICE WITH CHAMBER MARKINGS with the claim that during police service the Sear Safety Luger was chambered for the 7.65 m/m cartridge. Bavarian Police Defense Force (Polizeiwehr Bayern), When found, the holsters are generally expensive, even in fair to poor condition. certain when the holster was modified, however, it was used by the German State Railway Protection Police, specifically the Bahnschutz or Bahnschutzpolizei My reference book (The Standard Catalog of Luger by Aarron Davis, page 103) shows the eagle with PTV over it. The added belt loops are based on two other, more extensively converted artillery to police holsters discussed below. Buy 9MM Rare 9X19 Luger PTP/s Polizei German Police Surplus Ammo 50 Rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 966676154 . Either the original placement of the holster body cleaning rod pouch/sleeve entrance lip was incredibly low, with the entrance lip being 46 m/m below the holster body spine edge entrance lip, requiring the addition of a 33 m/m length leather strip, raising the entrance to within 15 m/m of the holster body spine entrance lip. 19-216). 1 Making Modern Germany Chapt. It is not known if the J. Walter, page 149 pictured muzzle protector is police acceptance marked, although he does specifically state that the pictured, variation 1 muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the police cleaning rod. The cut-back, first conversion feature of the subject police holster involved forming a regular curved, P.08 holster style, closed, stitched toe. [5] The S. M. 1074 markings are crossed-out with an X punch and re-stamped, positioned perpendicular at the forward gripstrap toe with an added Ostsee property number O.1057. Since the HZa used the WaAJt instead of the HZaJt stamp, I would suspect it was a new made item and not a reissued piece. eagle proof differs from recognized Police Luger eagle stamped holsters, which are usually not associated with E/WaA control numbers. Choose whether you want the sealed, opened box, or the marking stamp. August Weiss states further that the 'Riff' lot was produced by DWM late 1927 - early 1928. There are several markings on the holster. IV. We talked to a subject matter expert who repairs WW1 / WW2 h Opinion 3: I strongly believe what you have is a Heeres-Zeugamt produced holster. On later production guns, matching numbered magazines enhance value. Die moisten sind veraltet: andererseits sind in neuerer Zeit so viele Vorschriften hinzugetommem, gass es fr den Unfnger schwer ift, das Richtige herauszufinden. Der Mangel an einschlgigen Fachbchern ift oft betlagt worden. Schutzpolizei (municipal police), Police Das gibt ihm den inneren halt, das ruhige Uustreten in der Dessentlichteit, den sicheren Erfolg und damit eine gesteigerte Dienstfreudigteit und Liebe zum Berufe. locking the two-piece assembly in place. Waffenfabrik Bern - Bern, Switzerland&break;7. Luger wooden box cleaning kit The Treaty of Versailles (through the IMKK) restricted the size of Weimar As an example, a major Luger dealer, who occasionally offers WaA107 Hans Rmer Neu-Ulm, Donau 1936. As to the luftamt I do not know, but the Army HZa's still equipped the Luftwaffe and Waffen SS, so it makes sense. is unknown. The Fraktur typefaces were particularly heavily used during the rise of Nazism, when they were initially represented as true German script. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 5 ----------------------------------------------------------. The is a 9mm, all matching police luger. Sturgess in TBLAP also states that the new police cleaning rods were issued to each police pistol, further stating in the Fig. The subject holster is the third such holster identified. The Ingolstadt HZa was the only one to have a production code, I believe it was "jlj." It is the Eagle/Mg10 stamping that requires explanation. 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